Unknown Tree

Maggies Garden Forum: Carolyn in the Country 2001: Unknown Tree


By Carolyn Crouch on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 8:21 am: Edit Post

I am hoping someone will be able to identify this unknown tree which grew in the large raised bed. The foilage looks very much like a legume, and it has small red flowers. Its actually quite large, about 10-12 feet tall.

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By Terry on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 1:50 am: Edit Post

Whatever it is, it's hopperproof. :) Got me beat with that one Carolyn.


By Carolyn Crouch on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 7:16 am: Edit Post

It really is hopperproof. They light on it, but if they eat it, I can't tell. Its awfully pretty, and when it started making flowers, it really caught my attention. However, its a real mystery plant to me.


By Maggie on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 11:53 am: Edit Post

Do you think it came up from a seedling, or that it was planted by the prev owners?
My first impression was that the leaves looked a Sophora, such as Tx Mountain laurel and Eve's necklace, but the blooms are the wrong color for either.

There are some native Robinias with similar leaf formation - they have either white or dark pink blooms. Does it have brown bristles on the stems or a thorn on each leaf axis? Is the bloom like a pea flower?
Gotta close up of the bloom?


By Carolyn Crouch on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 12:55 pm: Edit Post

Just went out and looked and took more pics. Its pretty windy today, so I had to try to hold the branches still. No thorns. No the previous owners didn't plant it. The thing came up in the large raised bed we built last fall. Its in a section where we used fill dirt (from pool excavation dirt which was mostly clay subsoil). Maybe a bird dropped a seed? I'm clueless on the origin.

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By Carolyn Crouch on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 1:24 pm: Edit Post

The closest thing I can find in my book (Plants for Texas, by H. Garrett) is Pistacia texana. However, the book says nothing about it having a smooth green bark, nor about the orange flowers. So.......

Suppose I should dry a leaf and a flower, and send to BRIT.


By David on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 10:37 pm: Edit Post

You might try Sesopnla palcherimma.......It is not a real winter hardy plant here........It can handle 25 or so but not +8 to +18...It will die to the ground.....I don't no the common name...but my Mother called it a rattle tree.....I hope this is it......


By Maggie on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 9:47 am: Edit Post

Didn't find that Latin spelling in any of my native plant books or Hortus. But think you may be on to it David. Found Sesbania punicea described as having orange-red blooms. (the S. drummondii has yellow flower)

From text in 'Wild Flowers of the Big Thicket' about the red one:
"infrequent to rare in East Texas and western Louisiana; native of So Amer"
Watch out for those self-sowing seeds Caro, it seems to like your place!


By Carolyn Crouch on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 10:36 am: Edit Post

I didn't find David's spelling either. I'll look up what you found. Thanx to all for the help.


By Carolyn Crouch on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 10:49 am: Edit Post

Good teamwork, Mags and David! That is exactly it. The authorities call it an exotic pest which means invasive weed. Well, its pretty, its green, its in a raised bed where the grasshoppers ate just about everything else, so I'll call it a hardy, pest and drought tolerant flowering tree. :)


By Terry on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 1:12 am: Edit Post

Looks like a good weed to have around, and it's not like you are short on space Carolyn.


By Carolyn Crouch on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 8:42 am: Edit Post

Sad news to report. :( Was outside walking around with my coffee, and thought, "Hmmm. Something is not right." Only to realize that my weed tree was.........

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By Maggie on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 9:58 pm: Edit Post

Those grasshoppers must be developing chainsaw jaws :)
Can you tell what caused it to break?
As fast as that plant grew this summer, it might be a nice bush again, real soon!


By Terry on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 4:39 am: Edit Post

My god Carolyn what sort of flash do you have on that camera? :)


By Nicola on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 6:19 am: Edit Post

Maybe the trees demise is a blessing in disguise. From the look of the growth rate it would not have been long before it moved into the house and evicted you!


By David on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 9:22 pm: Edit Post

I would cut it off nicely and wait, it should come back next year if we don't get real COLD temps this winter....It is worth a try......Good Luck.....and sorry for your loss.....


By Carolyn Crouch on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 8:57 am: Edit Post

Thanx. Good ideas. So far, with the rain we've been having, the broken weed tree is right where it fell. Maybe I'll just leave it and let it compost on the spot. :)


By Useful Idiot on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

Carolyn, the "mystery tree" in your photos is a Caesalpinia, or Mexican Bird of Paradise. It is an ornamental tree, not an invasive weed. I hope you didn't destroy it.


By Maggie on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 9:05 pm: Edit Post

Aww UI, you’re not so useless after all. Opening up this old thread gives me the chance to update it with pics of that plant in my garden. And I agree with you about it being a good ornamental in the right location. There are areas of the country were it has become a threat to the indigenous flora in open land. This problem seldom occurs in densely developed areas and suburban plantings.

Since the above posts were made, I was given a Sesbania punicea that appears to be the same as the one in above pics. Here it is in my long border.
Sesbania punicea

It is very similar to the Bird of Paradise, but is not a Caesalpinia gilliesii.
Here is pic link for ref

It is not Caesalpinia mexicana, aka Mexican Bird of Paradise - it doesn’t have the yellow blooms or the same leaves as that one. See pic here of C. mexicana

It is not Caesalpinia pulcherrima - Pride of Barbados (aka peacock flower, Barbados pride, dwarf poinciana, Barbados flower-fence, and which used to be known as a Poinciana before the taxonomists changed it).
Here’s pic link

I have grown all 3 of those and know them well.

It is still Sesbania punicea , commonly known as Rattlebox, because of the seedpods.
Here is a confirmation link
Its plant parts matches the Sesbania punicea in my garden, in everyway

Thanks for your input UI and the chance to clarify all those beautiful proud bird plants


By sun ray on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 12:07 am: Edit Post

Thanks for sharing that beautiful scene with us Maggie. It is truely a lesson in artful plant composition.


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